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Posted on Fri, 3 Jun 2005 at 20:18



i must say that i am becoming increasingly bothered by the lack of respect that REAL professional installers recieve , be it from there employers, customers, fabricators and sign people in general.
now im not saying there are not exceptions, but im 37 years old and i install signs for a living and consider myself to be very good at it, and i have witnessed first hand the aboved mentioned situations.
this statement is for anyone who wants to learn about installation and installers. i am appauled that i frequently see adds on the web searching for lead men that require 3-5 years experience, and that people who have only been in the industry for 5-10 years have the audacity to call themselves sign pros or master signmen. i have litterally been installing signs for 22 years, i have been involved in all aspects of this business from design to vinyl install to sales to installations of million dollar signs and there is NOT any area of signage that requires more individual skills,attention , safety awareness( for yourself and others) and overall dedication to be done correctly and efficiently than the installation of signage, i take great pride in what do and strive to always get better, now if i only didnt spend 30% of my time correcting the mistakes of others due to lack of information, proper job preperation, scedueling,and poor surveys( oh yeah any iddiot can properly survey for an install job).heres a note to you rookies, a survey has the abillity to make or break a jobs pofitibility!!!!!!!!.
on a daily basis my job includes but is not limited to , completion of installation information on the previous days jobs, timecards(for me and helper) locating, loading days work, truck maint. (check oil,stock parts & materials, ) travel to job , completion of job, gas reciepts, concrete reciepts, material purchases and reciepts, log book, mileage
hotel booking and reciepts, per diem info, completion forms & photos.and many more.how many shirts does a fabrictor, project mgr.
salesman wear? im not taking from them but lets be realistic.
real true hard core sign men are few and far between , if you are lucky enough to employ one or find one KEEP THEM!!!!!!!!!
SIGNED, I LUV WHAT I DO , HAVE A NICE DAY

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Anonymous says: ive relly enjoyed reading everyones coments( good or bad) we all have our points of view and thats exactly what they are points of view. b-4 i go i must address a couple comments, well "stop crying" very ...

ive relly enjoyed reading everyones coments( good or bad) we all have our points of view and thats exactly what they are points of view. b-4 i go i must address a couple comments, well "stop crying"
very seldome do i get in early, most days the shop is cleared out by the time i get in,as far as us helping out in the shop i do, i frequently have to finish assembly of signs for my days work, no i dont like to, if the guys in assembly fab or whatever put in any where near the hours i do then it might be different but they do not, mabey when they get slow they should come work with me in the rain , heat, cold . (yeah right) even when they are forced to help outside due to a sick helper or leader they are so horrified that they have to do actual physical work without there extended breaks & special "inside guy" ammenities that most gererally they are more trouble than they are worth( is this you?) dear " sign zen" you are correct you must earn and keep respect, unfortunatley ive met very few people who care about it, most just wanna show up most of the time do as little as possible and get paid the max for it, most really good pro installers are only truly respected by one of the same. and just so ya know , i arrive 15-30 minutes early each day, my paperwork is top notch, i keep my vehicle in excellent shape ( i even take it home on weekends occasionally to wash & clean on my own time, i spent over 50 hrs of my own time setting up my crane last year when it was purchased(i hate disorganization, its expensive)
i wear company shirts everyday( which i pay for thank u ), i keep a groomed appearance(shaved, hair cut, no tats) and above all in the you must earn respect catagory my loading, installations, installation time frames and job completions are very good, i take great pride in what we do. should those things earn respet???????
last but not least amy & marty, amy good luck on fixin the no show problem i cant figure it out either i guess its a lack of self respect
and respect for others, my solution would be if it persists & disrupts scheduel then start with warning then 1 day suspension then 3 then just can the loser!! marty you are correct there are way to many installers using drugs, i dont know why, hectic lifestyle, lots of stress? who cares , do more drug tests, people only do what they are allowed to do and most wont change until you make them hate it . i recieve dot drug tests periodically. i hope im not the only one who took something good from this discussion, thanks for listening !

posted on: Mon, 06/06/2005 - 7:45pm
Anonymous says: Dude... It's all the same from design, sales, manufacturing, install, shop rat. We are all in the same boat, sink or swim. Whatdoyado? We are all on the the same team or should be no matter who we work ...

Dude... It's all the same from design, sales, manufacturing, install, shop rat. We are all in the same boat, sink or swim. Whatdoyado?
We are all on the the same team or should be no matter who we work for. It sounds to me that you are unhappy for the people you work FOR not who you work with with, maybe you should look into moving on for your own happiness. Just my 2.

posted on: Mon, 06/06/2005 - 9:40pm
Anonymous says: e-mail me your number and company name posted on: Tue, 06/07/2005 - 1:46am
Anonymous says: I appreciate all you do as an installer, but remember with out the sales you have nothing to install. Sales drive the truck, the installers maintain and make the sales BS become reality. Hats off to ...

I appreciate all you do as an installer, but remember with out the sales you have nothing to install. Sales drive the truck, the installers maintain and make the sales BS become reality. Hats off to the installers.

posted on: Tue, 06/07/2005 - 8:09pm
Anonymous says: This is to everyone in the business. We are a family owned shop of 40 years. I may not be the biggest nor am I the smallest, but I will say that I don't pay what the industry standard is for any of my ...

This is to everyone in the business. We are a family owned shop of 40 years. I may not be the biggest nor am I the smallest, but I will say that I don't pay what the industry standard is for any of my co-workers. Yes, even thou I am the owner they are still my co-workers. I pay an individual what they are worth and what the position can handle. I respect everyone on the floor to the office as they all respect me. I have been on this floor and in the air since I was 14 years old. With that said, to the installer with the lack of respect. You as an installer do have the most difficult position in a lighted shop of any size. I am not saying that other positions are less in value. There are several things that each position requires that every individual cannot do. That is what makes the lighted sign industry so lucrative. As an installer 1 out of every 10 jobs may go right. Not saying that something on the other 9 are just disasters. Nor am I saying that anyone else back at the plant or office had something to do with it. If you haven't road the train of an installer, NO I will just call it out! If you are only installing channel letters and plywood real-estate signs then you need not apply. To a true installer and to all that hold there true postions in the lighted industry my Hat is off to all of you. I love this business and I admire everyone that takes it serious and understands everyone postions as they are all important. Be safe to the installer that spoke his mind.

posted on: Wed, 06/08/2005 - 9:55am
Anonymous says: Once again, another sales person with all his product knowledge has stepped up and shown the very thing that pisses most of us who have been in the industry a long long time off. In the past decade I ...

Once again, another sales person with all his product knowledge has
stepped up and shown the very thing that pisses most of us who have been in the industry a long long time off.
In the past decade I haven't seen even one "Top of the line" Sales Person,,,, Period. Prior to that you could stand in awe of a small few but those days are gone.
Yet, over and over, sales creeps like you shoot their mouths off about how we (the industry) wouldn't survive without you. That's total B.S. There are many used car salesmen out there looking for work and could replace the vast majority of your type with no problems at all. At the very least they would equal you in product
knowledge I'm quite sure.

The bottom line? It's about service from top to bottom. Without one you simply can't have the other. Customers go to the companies that "serve" and return if they are given excellent service
and respect. Try selling a sign to a customer who has been treated
like a piece of .hit by the receptionist. Or, maybe you've heard the one about the "weakest link". It applies here.

Daz

posted on: Wed, 06/08/2005 - 4:53pm
Anonymous says: You are so very right!! But today I am leaving my employer because he doesn't see all the hats that I have been wearing for so many years. I am 46 years old and started inthe sign business when I was ...

You are so very right!! But today I am leaving my employer because he doesn't see all the hats that I have been wearing for so many years. I am 46 years old and started inthe sign business when I was only 16. I have just purchased a 55' crane truck so I can be my own boss. The soon to be ex-employer thinks that he can continue to hire "management" to get the job done and they are totaly clueless as far as time frames for completion etc. Unfortunatly there are too many companies that do NOT appreciate the people that are paying everyones paycheck including theirs. It has to be in the cards for me to go into business for myself because the truck is totally paid for and the area we live in is rural but has no local sign service and I have a firm belief that God is not going to let me let my family down. I have always taken pride in what I do and to have an insult like I was given yesterday is the last straw. Who needs a young pup trying to tell you what to do and how long it's supposed to take!? I guess they are about to figure out what lifes about and maybe they will have to get some field training first hand

posted on: Thu, 06/09/2005 - 7:06am
Anonymous says: You are so totally arrogant you must do all the selling servicing installing and everything since you have such a handle on the way installers are and what they have to deal with, who knows maybe you ...

You are so totally arrogant you must do all the selling servicing installing and everything since you have such a handle on the way installers are and what they have to deal with, who knows maybe you are my ex-boss. Ha!

posted on: Thu, 06/09/2005 - 7:44am
Anonymous says: How funny! I thought the same thing, maybe in too much of a hurry to get to the next "job". posted on: Thu, 06/09/2005 - 7:46am
Anonymous says: Where is Cummings? Is that in Georgia? posted on: Thu, 06/09/2005 - 7:47am

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