I'm sorry to have to do this, but recently Roger Bailey of Rapid Tac, the popular vinyl application fluid, displayed his unprofessional and negative attitude towards this long time customer.
As many in the business, I have enjoyed using his products for years but have come to the conclusion that I would prefer not to use a product from a company that implies it's customers are childlike, weak, "haven't a life" or worse. I've noticed many posts where Roger has made malicious statements towards others as well.
My purpose now is to take suggestions of any other fluids/solutions that work just as well or better than Rapid Tac. If this proves that there are no other alternatives, then Roger really has us all by the... I suggest research be made by anyone capable, to produce an equal or better product to show the power of competitive capitalism. We do have a choice. Let's use it!
Please post your suggestions and try to avoid negative statements towards any parties involved.
Thanks!
Maybe Roger was having a bad day. We all have them. You can use anything you want, waste your money and time any way you want. But I'd just confront Roger and explai how you feel and what he said that PO'd you. If you aren't satisfied with his answers, then by all means move on. But when you customers complain, you have some serious thinkin to do. I'd ignore it and keep on keepin on.
#1 I mixed Hundreds of gallons of the stuff, Now that I am no longer friends I no longer purchase RT I simply make my own and it works GREAT! 98% WATER!! Rubbing Alcohol and dish soap. You see the Alcohol keeps the water from freezing, the soap helps get the bubbles out of the vinyl and the water makes it cheap to produce. The Vanilla extract makes it smell good and gives it that color ; ) That is how you make your own application fluid.
The following is my OPINION And I wish to be clear on this.
On second thought Roger is a complete and total Jerk!! If anyone has a reason to be Pissed it is me!! I covered Rogers Ass so many Times, I took the blame for Rogers DUI in coos bay when he got pulled over and ditched his truck. He ASKED me if I would go get it and say it was me. So like a friend I did so.
Oh In Hawaii His lovely Wife who is 20 -30 years younger than him brought the Police to his home and tried to HELP the police find a Illegal Stolen 25 Auto Pistol Roger smuggled into Hawaii. It would have only landed him 5 years before he could be eligible for parole and he ASKED me to take the Gun for him and of course I did. Hell I'm no millionaire so I probably would have done 10 years before parole for that man..
Yet he acts as if he has a reason to still be pissed at me. And for what? All I ever did was BAILey his ass out of problems. From the time I was 16 and he got his head smashed at the local bar over a woman he dated names Julie. He was all beat up, drunk, wanted me to take him to get his gun so he could shoot the guy.
Well not only did he punch and break my windshield but I absolutely prevented him from taking the gun back to the bar and destroying his life. Yet the man accused me of something he would not tell me what it was, To this day he will not tell me what it was, Its been nearly 10 years since he has spoken to me over what ever he believes I did.. Well believe is a little to much as if he believed what ever he would not be afraid to tell me what it was I did to deserve to be fired, refused to pay my friend who worked for him and did the work!
And both His children Jeff and Dawn chewing my ass telling me what a rotten person I am.. Yet I still have not a clue what I did, besides save and cover his ass every time he needs BAILeyd out of his own problems!!
Now don't think that I wanted to get involved in Husband and wife drama but when your a loyal friend and your friend Roger calls you to tell you about his Wife who is 20 some years younger than him calling him a pervert, because he would marry an 18 year old when he was 46, Oh but that is not why he Begged me to come Help save his wife from him before and I quote “I kill her” The brass Tax is that the wife was calling him a child molester because of some situation that happened with his step daughter “Dawn” You see when she was 12, Mr. Roger was to Drunk to drive and I guess he made some kind of attempt to Kiss her and the local Sheriff got involved but Lucky Roger got out of any trouble. And that was between he and his step daughter not ammo for his ignorant wife to use against him.
However much I want to stay OUT of his Drama and tend to my own life, When he tells me he is going to kill her.. Well I rushed right over to help. When I took him aside and asked why he was so pissed and ready to kill her is when he told me about the situation with his step daughter and that Alisa was using it, bringing it up to call him a pervert.
Ok so here is my side of things.. I am not sure what I did, Its been nearly 10 Years and all the times I BAILeyd him out of Bull$hip he does not even owe me an explanation or closure. So I feel Ill post this reply and gain closure by making my side of this story Public. He did not want to consider my side of the story, Jeff, Dawn, Donna, None of them want to even hear my side of the story let alone even tell me what I did wrong, so wrong that I deserved to be fired, Not paid, etc. etc...
So when I came to Hawaii my Best friend Roger let me stay with him and his wife till I got on my feet. I stayed about a Month when I got my own place. Well Roger and Alisa kept fighting and she would leave him so he asked me to ditch my rental and move back in. So this went back and forward. Sooner or later I end up getting my own apartment and away from His home. But that did not stop him from Calling me in a fit of rage bugging me to come over to stop him from and Ill quote again “Killing the B”
I expressed my lack of interest in getting between a husband and wife.. But he insisted, Then before I would get out the door she would call and ask me to bring her a 6 pack of beer with him yelling in the back ground “NO, NO BEER!!”
So I would come over and attempt to referee and do what I could. But I had my own job, My own car and my own place and life so Its not really how a surfer kid wants to spend his evenings. Well it got to a point where Roger was purchasing a lot of Cocaine and he would invite me over and I admit I would do a little snort or ten with Roger and Alisa. Well sure enough one night He calls me to ask me to rush over and help them out of a fight. I arrive to see Alisa at the dinner table, Roger headed to his Bed yelling “You better have flushed all that shit” Alisa swears to the mans Face “I flushed it, I'm done with it” You see Roger was tired of the cocaine and drinking so he rightfully wanted his wife to quit the dope and get along.
So Before slamming the door off to bed Roger asks me if I will stick around and baby sit his wife for him. Then he yells that she better had flushed the cocaine and slams the door. Well No more than the slam of the door echo in my head and Alisa is pulling a Mirror from the kitchen droor asking me to do it right there with her. I'm freaking man, I'm thinking “Oh my god woman, You expect me to sit here and do this $h with you after you just lied to my best friends face?”
Well I refused to take part in it so she asks me to follow her in the garage, I did not want to but I went ahead. Well she sits down on the step and tells me that she is having troubles because deeply does not desire Roger any longer. In fact just so happens a Friend of Both her and Roger from Oregon recently Moved to Hawaii and she has had a crush on this friend and does not know what to do. Well at this point the $h is getting to deep and I’m outa here.
Well the next day She had fled to California and Roger called me to come give him support and company. I come over and he tells a joke about how it would be cheaper for him to take her on a one way fishing trip than a divorce, I guess she made threats to take him for everything he has just about every fight. Well Of course I'm advising him that murder in the first degree is not the answer. But I am feeling that my Loyalty as a friend comes to question if I do not tell him what she did. Now in the other hand I know what could happen, I fear that If I snitch her out and he confronts her then god forbid gets back with her.. Well it can not end well for me..
But Loyalty is loyalty and if I where he I would want to know. I would expect a true friend to tell me. So as much trouble as I know this could cause I sit him down and I told him about her pulling the mirror of cocaine out seconds after he slammed the door, And I ask him “Roger do you guys have some friend from Oregon that recently moved to Hawaii?” He says “Nobody but you” At this point I know I'm in trouble because she must have been talking about me, I mean what was she trying to Hit on me? come on to me? I do not know nor was I even remotely interested.
But now its to late so I had to tell Roger what she said about having this big crush on the mutual friend from Oregon. Well Roger was pretty upset with her about that.. Still to this day if I could go back I believe I still would have told any friend. I am sorry but my loyalty is to my friend and loyalty is #1
Ok so the next week when I am suppose to show up to do his yard work, I had been doing his yard work every Sunday for 50$ per Sunday. So the next week came along and I called him to schedule my job and he tells me that he is “taking a break from friends for a while” Not to call for a month or two. Well My room mate and friend had detailed Rogers corvette on the agreement that he would pay 85$ for that detail. Well My friend did his part of the deal. So I told Roger “Ok I'm cool with staying away for a while if that is what you need but you need to pay Nick the 85$ you owe him”
At this Point Roger blows up on me telling me how he already paid me and I'm a liar etc. etc... I tell him “Roger, You openly admit that I am one of the most hard working people you have ever known, that you would not do the work you see me do, So why on earth would I try to scam you out of 85$?” At this point Roger Hangs up on me.
Hmm,, The funny part is that as soon as he started doing the math, I could tell he was realizing that I was right about him having not paid my friend. He says he will check his records and call me back then hangs up on me. And of course Never called me back..
Well of course My friend is pissed. I wait a while and then I email Roger and I ask him to tell me what the hell I did to be treated like that, called a liar and accused of attempting to scam a millionaire out of 85$ Well he tells me that I am no longer his friend because and I quote “You disrespected my home and my wife” He left it at that.
Over the last 10 years I have wanted to tell him about the good thing happening in my life so I email him from time to time, Never a single aloha or Hello in 10 years. A few times I made attempts to request closure on this “Please tell me what I did man”
You see Its one thing if Roger just wants to end a friendship. But that is not what happened, I mean the man refused to pay a deal that he rightfully owed, Accused me of lying about 85$, But what was worst was Dawn and Jeff both emailing me nasty letters telling me that I should be ashamed of my self and both told me they take there fathers side but nobody seems to want to tell me what the heck I did wrong?
I’m not stupid, I can guess I mean it does not take a rocket scientist to figure Roger confronted Alisa about the things I told him which she DID do. What Motive would I have to Lie anyway? I was much happier having my friend married and happy. Besides Alisa was an Angel compared to Julie Rogers Nightmare ex so I sure as heck would not want Roger back with someone like Julie. So I had no motive to Lie about the stuff besides Roger knows what I told him is true..
But I have the Idea that He confronted Alisa and she of course did not admit, Heck maybe she did not even remember. Now from what I recall she was cocaine up not drunk so I think she knows sure as heck what she did. But its possible she had been drinking and did not recall. But it does not matter the bottom line is that she now must feel betrayed by me, even though what I told Roger was truth. So they get back together and what am I suppose to come over on Sundays for yard work and Dinner like old times and just pretend like nothing ever happened?
Well Roger can forgive Alisa for bringing the Police into HIS Home and try to HELP them find a HOT Illegal Pistol in a Anti Gun state like Hawaii. But they can not forgive me for Snitching Alisa out and helping BOTH of them with Drama?
Somehow I do not believe my simple snitching was the reason that I was fired, accused of being a liar and a thief over 85$, had both Rogers children sending me nasty emails heck Jeff even threatened me. He said and I quote “Better stay off the reef little man”! I mean what the F does that mean dude?
So I “Disrespected his home and his wife” How exactly did I do that? What by talking him out of taking her on a one way fishing trip? Or baby sitting her so he would not Kill her? Or I know My disrespect must have been when I took possession of the illegal stolen 25 Auto Pistol so that the police would not bust him with it right? Anyone who knows Hawaii law knows you could be a Multi Millionaire and all the money in the world would not get you out of the legal problems associated with getting caught with a hot pistol or let alone unregistered pistol.
One thing I am grateful for is that I did not get caught with it because I am 110% sure Roger Baillley would have Bailed on me and let me take the wrap for that to. I mean heck he does not seem to care either way. All the above is why I say “if ANYONE Has a reason to be man, not forgive it is me not Roger or Alisa” I am the ONLY one entitle to having a grudge against them. Yet I am the one trying to get closure and forgive and forget! And Roger will not forgive me for what ever it is that he will not even accuse me of doing? In 10 years Roger will not forgive me for “disrespecting his home and his wife”?
That is what kind of Human being I believe Roger to be. I gain closure knowing that all that I am willing to forgive if he would just say “Aloha” something, Yet he is the one who feels a right to not forgive me for being most likely one of the most Loyal people he had ever known.
Here in Hawaii I have clients that provide personal business references for me, Many of them Paid me thousands of dollars 3 months before I did the work for them. One even paid me a 1,200.$ Bonus on a 7,000.$ job. Yet I would lie over 85$ right? After 10 years I still maintain that he owes my friend the 85$ and he knew it. Most of all after nearly 10 years I am able to QUOTE them word for word. Yet the one thing I can not quote is what he refused to tell me which was “ what did I do to deserve to be fired, called a Liar, accused of disrespecting your home and wife, Get nasty emails from Dawn, Jeff, And deleted out of the entire Family??”
You see I was like a part of the family, For years I was a part of the family. I worked at the factory when I was 17. I was close to the family till this bunk crap happened and what ever it was I did was bad enough to be permanently BANNED from the family. Not so much as an “Aloha, Glad to hear your doing good” In fact Roger will not even respond to my fathers attempt to simply say “Aloha I am doing good bud” What did my father ever do?
What ever it was I was accused of, i.e. What ever Alisa Accused me of to get me back for Snitching her out, Must have been bad enough to ignore my father, Kick my out of the family. Hold a grudge for over 10 years. Oh and it must have been worse than trying to get him busted for a Hot 25 Auto, Snort cocaine behind his back with his best friend (ATTEMPT) As I refused to take part. Heck what ever it is that I do not even recall doing to disrespect must have even been worse than his own wife trying to make a move on his friend in his own home while he is in bed.
Seems to me I am not the one who disrespect his home and wife. Seems to me his Wife disrespected the home, and never had any self respect or she would have come clean and just forgiven and forgotten. I would love nothing more than to think Roger and Alisa have changed and are beyond all that happened. But really I have sent letters, Emails just to say Hi over the years only to be ignored. That proves to me that they are BOTH the SAME people they where the day all this went down, Have not changed a bit. Alisa has not come clean to this day about what ever bogus crap she said to make her husband BANN his best friend from his life..
I remember the woman saying many many times “I never wanted Roger for his money” I mean it was like a battle inside her, She would bring it up so much, She made it obvious that Money was an Issue. But what made it more Obvious was every time they got into a fight she would threaten to “TAKE EVERY DIME” If that is not about money than what is?
I feel bad for the Guy, I should not even care but I really wish I could simply get an “I forgive you” Even if I did not do anything wrong. To HELL With that I wish I could get an Apology and a “You did not disrespect my home or my wife kid, and I apologize for disrespecting you and our friendship and you where a very loyal friend.”
If either of them where any good as a human being they would have made a point to bring closure on that hurtful history. But then I guess it never hurt them,,... Roger probably did not feel any loss till the next time he needed a scape goat to take the blame for a Gun or a DUI Or save his ass from a severe beating and stop him from shooting up a bar full of idiots.
I know the Above is personal, I tried to keep it between Roger and I alone. But he wants to Ignore me for 10 years and if I believe the man Owes me a damn thing for all the Baileying him out, I believe he owes me CLOSURE and an Apology. His son Jeff owes me an Apology and his daughter Dawn Owes me an apology as well as Alisa. But Id settle for a simple “Aloha kid, we have no grudge”
So the Above is the Only method of closure I can bring to my self. You know I tried emailing him several times only to be ignored like I was never important, Forgotten how important I was when I saved his A$$, So I recalled Roger use to Post a Lot of topics on decal and film forums. So I put in a search for forums to perhaps post something to one of his topics perhaps get him to move on a response. Well what I found was quite a bit of people like the man above, pretty upset with Roger’s attitude.
That being said I feel if the only way I can have closure is to join the group of people who are upset with the way he acts as a professional, Than I can have my say on how he acts as a friend. Knowing that Roger, Alisa, Donna, Jeff and Dawn did not give two $Hirts about my side of the story. Perhaps those posting Topics about Roger on forums will take some interest in my side of the story. If this is the only closure I can get than so be it. Its not the closure I wanted but Iv got to get closure somehow. So I hope the world hears, reads and considers my side of the story. And I openly welcome Jeff, Donna, Dawn, Roger and Alisa to Publicly state otherwise. As I believe that we have TWO sides to every story and nobody should judge without considering BOTH sides.
The fact that Roger would not even tell me what I did thus how can I defend against a crime I am unaware that I committed? For being such a freedom believer he sure does not practice what he supposedly believes in. In short.. I think Roger is a Nasty person, I hate to think I'll of Jeff, Dawn, and Donna but they all Judged me simply because dad was dad and for no other reason. And without even considering my side.. Heck Jeff will not even say a word to me..
Its kind of obvious they do not want to address it because considering my side makes Roger look bad. But to damn bad. I guess it goes to prove Mr. Perfect’s Image is far more important than friendship Loyalty and my feelings. To bad man.. He may have made a lot of money selling 98% WATER! But I would not trade a bucket of Piss for such a life.. Money does not make you right, Money does not make you a good human being. I am a good hearted human being and believe I tried everything to keep this between Roger and I. I gave him every chance but I need closure and this is the best I can do to gain such closure.
Notice I have not brought up the business as my intent is not to slander the professional end. I just want to say my side of the story of our friendships END.
Maholo
Kam
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